Since the game is not release this year obviously I was curious about how its taking so long to release a game with a shitty wheel system control scheme. Playing the beta it wasn't too bad because I didn't have to use the hotbar but I was thinking about it. Later in the game you will have to use the hotbar for things like rabam skills , elixers , drought for node wars and other certain skills that are hotbar only. So I'm just wondering why use the wheel when you can just use combo keys. For those who don't know what I'm talking about let me explain.

For anyone who has played PC with a controller you'll get what I'm saying. But for example instead of hittin left on d pad and trying to pick the skill you need as fast as you can you can simply hit 2 buttons and do the same. 

Example: LB and RB as combo keys. This would give you 20 hotkey buttons and still leave you access to single hitting the d pad (left d pad won't be occupied by one of the rings same with right down and up) . Example as follows , LB X, A, B, Y, RT, LT, DPAD LEFT, DOWN, RIGHT, UP. and would be exact same as for RB. So say you need to pop a health pot just hit LB X say you need Mana LB A. You wanna pull up you inv RB Y maybe you need to call the black spirit just hit RB RT. 

I'm not sure how many hotkeys we got with the ring menu but this setup gives you 20 and still leaves you access to using your d pad without having those locked to the ring menu. That's more than enough hotkeys for what we need to do on Xbox. Also they would be 100% customizable and would make it easy to use Z buffs and rabam skills. 

Side note I'm not sure who did the controller compatibility for PC but if I was PA I would of just transferred that right over and skipped the 8 months of wasted time on how to do the controls and then maybe we would have the game by now lol. your team is letting us down. 

I hope we get a hotbar option for people that want to use it and you can still use ring menu if you want to and the ability to remap any button we want customization is always good

49 minutes ago, Tsexton said:

Since the game is not release this year obviously I was curious about how its taking so long to release a game with a shitty wheel system control scheme. Playing the beta it wasn't too bad because I didn't have to use the hotbar but I was thinking about it. Later in the game you will have to use the hotbar for things like rabam skills , elixers , drought for node wars and other certain skills that are hotbar only. So I'm just wondering why use the wheel when you can just use combo keys. For those who don't know what I'm talking about let me explain.

For anyone who has played PC with a controller you'll get what I'm saying. But for example instead of hittin left on d pad and trying to pick the skill you need as fast as you can you can simply hit 2 buttons and do the same. 

Example: LB and RB as combo keys. This would give you 20 hotkey buttons and still leave you access to single hitting the d pad (left d pad won't be occupied by one of the rings same with right down and up) . Example as follows , LB X, A, B, Y, RT, LT, DPAD LEFT, DOWN, RIGHT, UP. and would be exact same as for RB. So say you need to pop a health pot just hit LB X say you need Mana LB A. You wanna pull up you inv RB Y maybe you need to call the black spirit just hit RB RT. 

I'm not sure how many hotkeys we got with the ring menu but this setup gives you 20 and still leaves you access to using your d pad without having those locked to the ring menu. That's more than enough hotkeys for what we need to do on Xbox. Also they would be 100% customizable and would make it easy to use Z buffs and rabam skills. 

Side note I'm not sure who did the controller compatibility for PC but if I was PA I would of just transferred that right over and skipped the 8 months of wasted time on how to do the controls and then maybe we would have the game by now lol. your team is letting us down. 

You clearly didn't think this through because rb and lb are already being used for skills. Do you even play the beta? In the beta If you only had one skill attached to a ring menu then simply pressing left on the d-pad would use that skill or item, you don't have to scroll though skills and you only press one button, not two as in your plan. Based on the post-beta update video they are adding four more ring menu's with LT as a modifier so you have even more options for quick use skills. In conclusion, you're not as smart as you think you are; your plan sucks; let PA do their job.

7 minutes ago, Fortune said:

You clearly didn't think this through because rb and lb are already being used for skills. Do you even play the beta? In the beta If you only had one skill attached to a ring menu then simply pressing left on the d-pad would use that skill or item, you don't have to scroll though skills and you only press one button, not two as in your plan. Based on the post-beta update video they are adding four more ring menu's with LT as a modifier so you have even more options for quick use skills. In conclusion, you're not as smart as you think you are; your plan sucks; let PA do their job.

With the way it's currently setup on xbox or not currently but in the beta you could only do that with 4 skills though if you wanted an instant cast for example on PC I need about 16 abilities hot bared on the wizard to play it at the maximum potential once you get awakening weapons, what he is saying basically he wants the option for the PC controller layout what would be awesome to just have the option because options are great for players you shouldn't want everything preset with no customization then there is no innovation. 

1 minute ago, Beond said:

With the way it's currently setup on xbox or not currently but in the beta you could only do that with 4 skills though if you wanted an instant cast for example on PC I need about 16 abilities hot bared on the wizard to play it at the maximum potential once you get awakening weapons, what he is saying basically he wants the option for the PC controller layout what would be awesome to just have the option because options are great for players you shouldn't want everything preset with no customization then there is no innovation. 

More customization is better for sure. I don't use a keyboard on PC so I'm not that familiar with the setup but I do remember trying it out once an hating it. Combat is fine with the PC controller setup i needed a keyboard to do anything else. Seem like they are working on customizable controls on Xbox so that's probably the best route forward.

I could see this being a great feature. The more options they give the community, the more they keep each individual happy by allowing them to adjust and fine tune things to their liking.

23 minutes ago, Fortune said:

More customization is better for sure. I don't use a keyboard on PC so I'm not that familiar with the setup but I do remember trying it out once an hating it. Combat is fine with the PC controller setup i needed a keyboard to do anything else. Seem like they are working on customizable controls on Xbox so that's probably the best route forward.

Yeah it definitely works how it is but some people might not like it, I'm just saying having the option isn't a bad thing we should encourage it

6 hours ago, Fortune said:

You clearly didn't think this through because rb and lb are already being used for skills. Do you even play the beta? In the beta If you only had one skill attached to a ring menu then simply pressing left on the d-pad would use that skill or item, you don't have to scroll though skills and you only press one button, not two as in your plan. Based on the post-beta update video they are adding four more ring menu's with LT as a modifier so you have even more options for quick use skills. In conclusion, you're not as smart as you think you are; your plan sucks; let PA do their job.

Did I even play the beta? Haha. 1. Putting one skill on a single d pad key is aids because then that allows you to ONLY have 4 hot keys skills. Other wise you need the ring menu and that is buns to use. 2 you contradicted yourself because you said lb and RB was already used for skills. Obviously they were but that doesn't mean you can't remap then to another key because you think I'm dumb but you said lt was used in the previous video as a modifier. Well guess what bud lt was used for skills in the beta. How can that be???? you obviously can't read and I already said this wasn't my idea. This is how the controller config is to play the PC version with a Xbox controller. And also lb and RB were just example you could use any 2 buttons. But I figured it would be easier to transfer over a controller configuration that was already flawless rather than developing something as trash as a ring menu

8 minutes ago, Tsexton said:

Did I even play the beta? Haha. 1. Putting one skill on a single d pad key is aids because then that allows you to ONLY have 4 hot keys skills. Other wise you need the ring menu and that is buns to use. 2 you contradicted yourself because you said lb and RB was already used for skills. Obviously they were but that doesn't mean you can't remap then to another key because you think I'm dumb but you said lt was used in the previous video as a modifier. Well guess what bud lt was used for skills in the beta. How can that be???? you obviously can't read and I already said this wasn't my idea. This is how the controller config is to play the PC version with a Xbox controller. And also lb and RB were just example you could use any 2 buttons. But I figured it would be easier to transfer over a controller configuration that was already flawless rather than developing something as trash as a ring menu

I think we are way too far into development to have this discussion. I'm sure you know, deep down, that the core control system is here to stay because it is basically finished. To help you swallow it I will remind you that after the beta they added 4 more dpad slots thanks to combo with LT. Now we get 8 hotkeys or 64 slots if you wish to use ring menu. The fact YOU don't like something doesn't mean it's trash. Everyone has their own opinion and let's agree to disagree. 

10 minutes ago, Tsexton said:

Did I even play the beta? Haha. 1. Putting one skill on a single d pad key is aids because then that allows you to ONLY have 4 hot keys skills. Other wise you need the ring menu and that is buns to use. 2 you contradicted yourself because you said lb and RB was already used for skills. Obviously they were but that doesn't mean you can't remap then to another key because you think I'm dumb but you said lt was used in the previous video as a modifier. Well guess what bud lt was used for skills in the beta. How can that be???? you obviously can't read and I already said this wasn't my idea. This is how the controller config is to play the PC version with a Xbox controller. And also lb and RB were just example you could use any 2 buttons. But I figured it would be easier to transfer over a controller configuration that was already flawless rather than developing something as trash as a ring menu

Rb and LB are not the same as LT my guy, Pay attention. If we keep the scheme show in the latest video thats 8 hot key skills not 4. Skills in this game are meant to be used via button combinations with a few exceptions. If you want an easier mmo play ESO.

6 minutes ago, Fortune said:

If you ?want an easier mmo play ESO.

Exactly !

3 minutes ago, Fortune said:

Rb and LB are not the same as LT my guy, Pay attention. If we keep the scheme show in the latest video thats 8 hot key skills not 4. Skills in this game are meant to be used via button combinations with a few exceptions. If you want an easier mmo play ESO.

You obviously haven't played this game before because not all abilities can be used with button combinations. And I was not referring to the previous video when I said 4 hotkeys. You said pushing 1 button on the d pad to use a skill. And that's only if you have 1 skill on there unless you wanna love around with the ring menu. Which means then you have only 4 hotkeys left down right up. There is much more to hotkeys in this game than you would know trust me. 

On 12/7/2018 at 2:10 AM, Fortune said:

Rb and LB are not the same as LT my guy, Pay attention. If we keep the scheme show in the latest video thats 8 hot key skills not 4. Skills in this game are meant to be used via button combinations with a few exceptions. If you want an easier mmo play ESO.

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7 hours ago, Beond said:

I hope we get a hotbar option for people that want to use it and you can still use ring menu if you want to and the ability to remap any button we want customization is always good

Sounds like a good idea ?

12 hours ago, Fortune said:

Rb and LB are not the same as LT my guy, Pay attention. If we keep the scheme show in the latest video thats 8 hot key skills not 4. Skills in this game are meant to be used via button combinations with a few exceptions. If you want an easier mmo play ESO.

tell me how good the wheel works when your standing still to use an ability and get destroyed lol, and actually yes LT is the same as RB AND LB its used as a combo key. technically they could use all the triggers and bumper and make them into the d pad wheel. Or they could just do I like they already did once on pc and not go through all this hassle. lastly, as for easier mmo ive played plenty of bdo on pc with A CONTROLLER <----- key part right there. And was able to keep up with kbm players. Everyone who hasn't played before doesn't understand the significance of being mobile and using abilities. and before anyone comments "welllll this is not pc blah blah blah" whether its pc or xbox that doesn't change the core mechanics of the game those are the same and always will be. that includes ccs, and how to keep yourself protected while using abilties whether you are killing people or adds. 

16 hours ago, Rocketfuel77777 said:

I think we are way too far into development to have this discussion. I'm sure you know, deep down, that the core control system is here to stay because it is basically finished. To help you swallow it I will remind you that after the beta they added 4 more dpad slots thanks to combo with LT. Now we get 8 hotkeys or 64 slots if you wish to use ring menu. The fact YOU don't like something doesn't mean it's trash. Everyone has their own opinion and let's agree to disagree. 

 

Nothing is ever set in stone even if they launch with Beta controls they can always improve them later on.

17 hours ago, Harming said:

Swinging straight at the groin with ESO.

I got a laugh there, there is hope that we may not hate each other some point down the road.

I don't hate you pal

17 hours ago, Tsexton said:

You obviously haven't played this game before because not all abilities can be used with button combinations. And I was not referring to the previous video when I said 4 hotkeys. You said pushing 1 button on the d pad to use a skill. And that's only if you have 1 skill on there unless you wanna love around with the ring menu. Which means then you have only 4 hotkeys left down right up. There is much more to hotkeys in this game than you would know trust me. 

double post lol. Since you played on pc with a controller i can guarantee that you were trash. I really can't be bothered to explain to you how the ring menus work and how you can use some for hotkeys and others you can fill the wheel with emotes if you want too because you just don't have the depth. Just type another barely coherent paragraph in response to this and all will be right in the world. 

8 hours ago, Beond said:

Nothing is ever set in stone even if they launch with Beta controls they can always improve them later on.

Launch with beta controls? They already improved it and Simon confirmed.

8 hours ago, Beond said:

Nothing is ever set in stone even if they launch with Beta controls they can always improve them later on.

Improve doesn’t mean change. Don’t expect new or vastly different system.